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Anja dunford

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My biggest problem is getting it tagged!
Everyone I ask is only doing bulk tagging not one cord.
I just have a fear that we rock up and bingo they ask and no power!
 

Squirter231

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Ill put my sparky hat on for this one too... The problem is this...

Where does the testing and tagging stop? first there is your lead... but what about your fridge, microwave, toaster, kettle, hairdryer, Waeco/Engel, the list goes on. Plus every state has varying rules and regulation on what is required.

All I can say is this I have stayed all around VIC, NSW and SA, and have never been asked or heard tagging of appliance or leads mentioned. Hope its not a sign of things to come. Although i could take a packet of tags and my testing gear and make a fortune while on holidays :thumb:
 

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I cannot see that happening @Anja dunford
but yes it is a possibility
if you cannot find any at the shops that are already Certified, then maybe risk it
and if asked, suggest they let you know where it can be done, because you have already tried

again, I would also be asking for a copy of his Safety Certificate for the Electrical Distribution - if they can ask, you can ask for HIS compliance

mind you, if you annoy them too much, you may have to look at another place to camp.............
 
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Haven't been asked myself but did get an email about it from someone the other week, I looked at doing the 2 day course to be certified, $400 TAFE course, and bingo as I travel around $5 for a test of cable and tag .............the problem with this test and tag stuff, the component is checked okay at that time but tomorrow is another matter, another bit of BS from the boofacrats.
. I checked my stuff last trip away then after a week tingles when I touched the drawbar and the meter was showing cureent between van and ground, yikes !!!! went into mild panic that something in the rig was stuffed but then remmembered KISS, so checked the lead and sure enough the earth was cactus, break in wire somewhere so cut it up and binned it and pulled out the spare, checked okay all good..........................always carry a multi meter.
 

bigcol

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Buying a new lead will not help you, must have an approved test tag attached to it regardless of age. Only needed in Qld and Vic.

I would suggest that a new lead, with the manufacturers test cert attached would be sufficient

however, unless the guy running the Park has access to the correct Test and Tag proceedures, if I fitted a maroon tag on my lead
would he know that it is a 5 year tag (in WA) or would he just look at it and go "its tagged - your safe"

this would open a massive can of worms I feel if they are pushing for it........

you have your lead tested and tagged - maybe a green 6 monthly tag - because you only use your van once every 6 months
the Van Park does not recognise that tag as being apropriate for the lead........
are they qualified to assess
are they qualified to do the Test & Tag
can they suggest someone qualified / competent to do the T & T

mmmmmmmmmmm me thinks very very silly
 

bigcol

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. I checked my stuff last trip away then after a week tingles when I touched the drawbar and the meter was showing cureent between van and ground, yikes !!!! went into mild panic that something in the rig was stuffed but then remmembered KISS, so checked the lead and sure enough the earth was cactus, break in wire somewhere so cut it up and binned it and pulled out the spare, checked okay all good..........................always carry a multi meter.

I had a similar one once before
started to panic (SWMBO & kids were at the beach) what had happened with the Van
then, when I was about to check the lead, another "resident" at the park informed me that the pole I was hooked into
" always is a bit dodgy, sometimes you may get a boot out of it...... they know about it, but havent got around to fixing it yet"
thanks man - suggestions on where to get power..........
"oh, that little one next to it - its a temp one while they fix the main one..... 5 yrs ago... hahaha"

south west WA... great.............
 

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I see no compliance tag/plate on this unit yet you want me to plug into it ??...........can work both ways...............must be a busy place that overcharges if he can send customers away so I probably wouldn't stay there anyway.. Places in Toowoomba that will tag you stuff in the phone book actually.
 

Anja dunford

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Ok. I will hunt a ready tagged new one.
When the electrician comes to do work next I will ask junto do the second one as a spare.
I too see little point in testing every year, as it could fail a day after testing.
I will avoid the park that insists in it till we have one. I await big 4's response to my question.
Thanks for great advice again!
 

Anja dunford

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Funnily enough.. I emailed the big 4 we stayed at a whole ago with the tent and asked what they do.. Obviously nothing as she has to ask the manager who is away, she has no idea!
In bcf today. New cables are not tagged.
They also had no idea and just suggested that we avoid parks who demand this, or demand they provide someone to tag it!
Looking at a week in Airlie beach at Easter and a local trip in March.. No mention on their sites about tags
 
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I hate the whole testing and tagging thing with a passion!!! Ok I test the lead/appliance and put my licence number on it, as long as it doesn't move from where I left it, I can safely say it's still ok. But who's to say the moment someone uses it, they damage it and the tag still says it's good for 3,6 or 12 months. Also, I put my license number on the tag, someone goes to an electrical wholesaler buys a pack of tags and uses the same number on the old tag (my number) what are the legal remifications? Probably none, I get the idea but it doesn't work practically. If you know what I mean! I might start carrying tags with me!
Rant over!!
 
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The system has always been open for abuse. As long as you have filled your obligations under the electrical safety act and AS 3760, and the records show that then you are reasonably safe. Lost count of the number of 15 amp plugs that I have seen filed down etc. Always had a habit of glancing at leads etc when walking past them.
Do the best you can to CYA
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I hate the whole testing and tagging thing with a passion!!! Ok I test the lead/appliance and put my licence number on it, as long as it doesn't move from where I left it, I can safely say it's still ok. But who's to say the moment someone uses it, they damage it and the tag still says it's good for 3,6 or 12 months. Also, I put my license number on the tag, someone goes to an electrical wholesaler buys a pack of tags and uses the same number on the old tag (my number) what are the legal ramifications? Probably none, I get the idea but it doesn't work practically. If you know what I mean! I might start carrying tags with me!
Rant over!!
I actually have an alternative position that comes from my past work life job position. It wasn't the actual testing & tagging that was my issue, just the whole mountain of paperwork/documentation that health & safety requirements and work certification that is required to comply with mandates that it must be done. This is particularly so with a Company getting ISO certification so that they can carry out work for many other Companies these days. I was so glad to retire and not be buried in paperwork any more.
With Test & Tagging my understanding isn't that a tested item is safe for the following period, just that it was safe at the time of testing and provided the item is cared for then retesting is not required for "X" months depending on the particular work use it gets. It is then up to the persons using the item to regularly visually inspect it to determine if repair or replacement is required. As to your possibility of someone forging your Tag then if you have logged the particular item satisfactorily within your own records then you can do your best to protect yourself.
As to us as caravaners getting our own items Test & Tagged, I don't have any opposition to it and see it as a form of Insurance. I doubt that anyone here doesn't have their house, car and van covered by Insurance and part of that Insurance would most likely cover Public Liability. These days of litigation should have people worried about those last 2 words, Public Liability. If in the quite possibly unlikely event that someone were to be injured or killed by a faulty power cord or something else electrical that was your property and that you could have had for a reasonably small amount of money had Tested & Tagged, how would you defend yourself in Court? At least if you had had testing done then you could well argue that you had made reasonable attempts to ensure the offending item was safe, so long as you also regularly visually inspect for obvious damage. You could be on your own for any claim against you if your own Insurance Company decided that you had not taken reasonable steps to ensure the safety of any item that you own. I doubt that it could be argued to a Jury that you couldn't afford the price of Test & Tagging when they get told that you own a car and van with a combined value of many tens of thousands of Dollars.

For people who only use remote and free camp sites the risk of doing nothing would probably be minute but for those that use paid caravan sites it's inevitable that Test & Tagging requirements in some form or other will happen one day. Maybe the owners of those places will have to provide the power cords themselves, with a bond on them, and the power connection points will all have to be regularly tested. The people who make these rules don't care about the added costs that flow on to others. Regardless, Caravan Parks, whether privately or publically owned are someone else's workplace and I see the rules for current workplaces being eventually extended to them, whether we like it or not. Lawyers and Insurance Companies will make sure of it.
And that's my rant over.
 

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I actually have an alternative position that comes from my past work life job position. It wasn't the actual testing & tagging that was my issue, just the whole mountain of paperwork/documentation that health & safety requirements and work certification that is required to comply with mandates that it must be done. This is particularly so with a Company getting ISO certification so that they can carry out work for many other Companies these days. I was so glad to retire and not be buried in paperwork any more.
With Test & Tagging my understanding isn't that a tested item is safe for the following period, just that it was safe at the time of testing and provided the item is cared for then retesting is not required for "X" months depending on the particular work use it gets. It is then up to the persons using the item to regularly visually inspect it to determine if repair or replacement is required. As to your possibility of someone forging your Tag then if you have logged the particular item satisfactorily within your own records then you can do your best to protect yourself.
As to us as caravaners getting our own items Test & Tagged, I don't have any opposition to it and see it as a form of Insurance. I doubt that anyone here doesn't have their house, car and van covered by Insurance and part of that Insurance would most likely cover Public Liability. These days of litigation should have people worried about those last 2 words, Public Liability. If in the quite possibly unlikely event that someone were to be injured or killed by a faulty power cord or something else electrical that was your property and that you could have had for a reasonably small amount of money had Tested & Tagged, how would you defend yourself in Court? At least if you had had testing done then you could well argue that you had made reasonable attempts to ensure the offending item was safe, so long as you also regularly visually inspect for obvious damage. You could be on your own for any claim against you if your own Insurance Company decided that you had not taken reasonable steps to ensure the safety of any item that you own. I doubt that it could be argued to a Jury that you couldn't afford the price of Test & Tagging when they get told that you own a car and van with a combined value of many tens of thousands of Dollars.

For people who only use remote and free camp sites the risk of doing nothing would probably be minute but for those that use paid caravan sites it's inevitable that Test & Tagging requirements in some form or other will happen one day. Maybe the owners of those places will have to provide the power cords themselves, with a bond on them, and the power connection points will all have to be regularly tested. The people who make these rules don't care about the added costs that flow on to others. Regardless, Caravan Parks, whether privately or publically owned are someone else's workplace and I see the rules for current workplaces being eventually extended to them, whether we like it or not. Lawyers and Insurance Companies will make sure of it.
And that's my rant over.

Totally Agree on the paperwork issues, and your understanding of testing and tagging is correct. Visual inspections by the owner in my past experience is what worries me the most, some of the things I have seen is the reason why I hold my dislike of the method. I can't offer a better solution and understand why they need some form of documentation, but dislike how many ifs and buts there are. My parents manage van parks and the like and in one of the courses they did, it was pretty much explained to them that it's not worth doing it (running a park) legally speaking with all the legislation out there. Making people comply with this is a butt covering excrcise as you have explained above. With everyone trying to sue everyone at the drop of a hat, it's not going to go away either.

PS your rant was way longer than mine, that paperwork must really have got to you! lol
 
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Anja dunford

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I have no problem in principle getting it tested. It is just not an easy thing to get done is my point! Thank you for the offers and suggestions. We will comply!

My issue is really that firstly all or nothing. Either every lead plugged into the site must me tagged or none, tents or vans, campers etc.
Also all parks or none! Not roulette of van sites.
If all the sites require a tagged lead then provide staff at the sites that can tag them!
I am sure our rig up of leads into the tent with power boards etc was far more dangerous that the van lead
 

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Staying at some showgrounds, I feel I need the big rubber gloves on when I plug in and not a tag or tally plate in sight...lol.
I'm certainly not asking places if they require tagged leads.
 
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