Landrover Discovery TDV6 or SDV6 to tow 20 foot outback Expanda?

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We normally like to buy cars 2-3 years old with 40-50k on them although the Landcruisers do not take much of a hit $ wise
Disco's do we really like our D3 to drive although each time something goes wrong its $$$$..
Suspension light started coming on and off again. last time alternator. could be battery now not happening all the time only when you stop at lights it goes up and down and fault and clear.
Sometimes it feels like this movie.. We looking at the Mux, Colorado7 , Everest and the new Fortuner. Although be around $30k upgrade. Unless we go 4x2 MUX.
All of these is a downgrade on features we have now.
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Yeh I have gone and discussed the price with a dealer 80k plus 2.5k for metallic paint !!! He said they included the tech pack which was sat nav and reversing camera. Said other packs were over priced such as black pack 4.5k etc. At least he was honest. Nice thing to note with the Landrover is that if you work for a company on there list you get 3 years free servicing as well as floor mats. But I do think they are over priced and wont have the same resale value as the Toyota will have. So I have decided to go the trusty V6 Prado yet again. Cant complain really built well and drive well. Just need to get the price right for a VX.

we have a 2007 vx diesel prado can not fault it tows great good on fuel just wish they where 3 tonne best car I will eva own I will never sell it

 

[Smirke]

We normally like to buy cars 2-3 years old with 40-50k on them although the Landcruisers do not take much of a hit $ wise
Disco's do we really like our D3 to drive although each time something goes wrong its $$$$..
Suspension light started coming on and off again. last time alternator. could be battery now not happening all the time only when you stop at lights it goes up and down and fault and clear.
Sometimes it feels like this movie.. We looking at the Mux, Colorado7 , Everest and the new Fortuner. Although be around $30k upgrade. Unless we go 4x2 MUX.
All of these is a downgrade on features we have now.
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I'll swap your life movie for mine!

 

[davemc]

No good @Smirke

 

[Smirke]

No good @Smirke

Yep. Supposedly next week we find out if we've gone.

 

[dagree]

Fingers crossed @Smirke

 

[chartrock]

Good luck mate with what could be a miserable outcome.

 

[Dobbie]

Yeah.

Best of luck with the outcome.

 

[straydingo]

@Matty4 @straydingo doesnt seem to be on here anymore? But he offloaded his beloved D4 a few months ago and now rides a 200 series. I think he was disappointed in the issues he had when he did his trip up the centre but best to ask him direct.

Hey all,
Yeah, not around too often anymore....still here in spirit tho.

As Jim said, the Disco is history, and I stepped over to the dark side with a LC200.

While the disco towed great, was comfortable (to me), had power to spare, worked well with the transmission etc etc etc I lost confidence in it as a long term tourer.

Taking the Merinee Loop last year, I hit a hole to hard and damaged the sidewall of the 19" Cooper. When I got to Glen Helen I called ahead to the Alice Cooper dealer (and every other tyre place in Alice) trying to get a replacement. Nothing, except one second hand HT tyre. I ended up having to get one couriered on the Greyhound ($$$) and it still took a week. So with a 19" tyre they aren't even available in a large town like Alice.
When we were ready to leave Alice, both batteries dead flat. No idea why - no load on either. But not the first time...or second...or third....
Heading south was when the fun began with overheating. Consequently, no cruise or air con on a high 30s day. Max speed 70-80km/h
(Additional cost of that was we didn't dare take it on the Ood, which I'm still bitter about)
The issue came down to: "where is the closest dealer?.....Adelaide"

When back in Melbourne, LR said a turbo hose was split...."and we've never seen that before". 4 weeks for replacement parts to arrive. If not under warranty it would've been a huge bill.

So all fixed.
Next trip. Melbourne to Mildura; fine. Mildura to Burra....constant overheating again. Closest dealer....Adelaide again.
The next day I'm sitting in the caravan park and another D4 towing a starcraft comes in. Owner comes over once set up and asked; "ummm mate....does yours overheat? Mines been a bugger today" Like mine, it had only recently started for him at 2.5 years old.

So on that trip we just kept seeing Ford, Toyota, Nissan etc dealers in every town we went through. And that played on our minds for the next 6 months - theres only a handful of LR dealers in Aust, and just as few LR capable/specialist mechanics. What happens if/when something else goes wrong? Its not that other manufacturers are less reliable (look at any manufacturer/model based forum and you'll see thats not true) but it needs to be considered what support you have when something does go wrong if like me your mechanical abilities are less exhaustive than others. So we lost confidence in the brand for how we wanted to use the car.

On a lesser point, with the family in car, full tank and towing, I was also over GVM by about 90kg. And family is only getting bigger (and me too)

For the resale question, you can decide:
new: $82000
extras added: (bar and light / long range tank / battery and wiring / tyres / etc) around $9000

sold after 3 years: $68000.
probably could've held out for about $5000 more at best

Now: LC200 GLX $81000 plus a GVM upgrade pre rego $4000

 

[MartyJB]

I have a 2010 discovery 4 SE and no issues. Soon to use it to tow my new 16.49-4.
I'd always been a Toyota man, but came around to the D4 after much research. It is a far more refined vehicle than the 200 series, I occasionally drive a 200 for work and when I do it makes me glad I have the D4. I think it is a better vehicle for a number of reasons, sorry to hear @straydingo had s bad experience. I think I may have read your story on Aulro? I'd recommend anyone contemplating to join aulro forum to read about them for themselves. There's a bit to know about them and quite a few reasons why it's won best cars 4x4 of the year 9? Times in a row - more than any vehicle on any category. Not to mention so many international motoring awards....

 

[achjimmy]

I have a 2010 discovery 4 SE and no issues. Soon to use it to tow my new 16.49-4.
I'd always been a Toyota man, but came around to the D4 after much research. It is a far more refined vehicle than the 200 series, I occasionally drive a 200 for work and when I do it makes me glad I have the D4. I think it is a better vehicle for a number of reasons, sorry to hear @straydingo had s bad experience. I think I may have read your story on Aulro? I'd recommend anyone contemplating to join aulro forum to read about them for themselves. There's a bit to know about them and quite a few reasons why it's won best cars 4x4 of the year 9? Times in a row - more than any vehicle on any category. Not to mention so many international motoring awards....

No question it's a more refined vehicle than the 200. The seats are to die for, and a holden trimatic is probably a sharper auto!. Better well that depends on lots of things and one is usage. @straydingo isnt the first to find there not suitable in some of our environment , I recall the compressors failing in a few in mud in the deserts or the VHC where the vehicle height was up and down like a brides nightie. Also not much good if you gotta load it up with an engle and fit family of 5 and stuff. I bought the 200 for a purpose and because I wanted the most confidence I could take it anywhere in this country reliably. Reading up on reviews (not paid rags) forum and talking with users and my own expreince above is how I came to question whether it would deliver me that confidence.

I like the disco and I hope they continue to improve, but I feel the 200 is the best most reliable tow package , outback tourer suited to Australia conditions available atm.

 

[davemc]

Our suspension issues point to a Right hand sensor so waiting for them to get a part in. Parts always a worry getting them in with the Disco although I agree its a great car to drive fantastic to tow with the air suspension.
We having problems finding anything but a cruiser to replace it with, so might have to wait to our middle kid is out of a car seat.

 

[mfexpanda]

Our suspension issues point to a Right hand sensor so waiting for them to get a part in. Parts always a worry getting them in with the Disco although I agree its a great car to drive fantastic to tow with the air suspension.
We having problems finding anything but a cruiser to replace it with, so might have to wait to our middle kid is out of a car seat.

My brother replaced his leaking suspension with coil springs then sold his disco . He loved the car but the on going cost of fixing everything wore him out .

 

[achjimmy]

My brother replaced his leaking suspension with coil springs then sold his disco . He loved the car but the on going cost of fixing everything wore him out .

Yeah also what doesn't come out is what people consider "reliable" to be? A guy at work a little while ago bought a jeep. He had them before and was a fan, after 6 months of ownership he was telling another employee how happy he was and that jeeps really were underrated and he had no real issues with his ! Now I happen to know in that 6 months jeep had been unable to stop the discs squealing, or get their radio to receive AM properly. The front parking sensors went off Radomly and their fix was an override switch jury rigged on the dash. There was something else I can't remember? I thought ffs At the time my cruiser was 2yrs old and had had not ONE issue. Not even a squeaky anything and the windscreen washers hadn't even run out of fulid!

See the difference, I'd be ropeable with the jeep! He was a happy repeat punter?

 

[straydingo]

Yep got to agree with achjiimmy. That why I emphasised we lost confidence with how we wanted to use the vehicle. Not indicative of anyone elses thoughts or experiences - just us.

 

[davemc]

Still waiting on our sensor.. took van to get annex fitted then across town for first service.
Light comes on every 10-15 mins pings for 15 seconds then goes off. At least we hope it is the sensor. It is not fun
Never had ours on a flatbed truck although I still worry that something will go..Cannot find anything that suits us to upgrade to unless we go a new D4.. So will hope to stay together for a couple of years to at least one more kid out of car seats

 

[AzHaych]

Cannot find anything that suits us to upgrade to unless we go a new D4

You can have mine in 18 months!
Points taken @straydingo and @achjimmy but I have not had an issue mine and I have two mates with 200 Sahara's that both say that the DIsco drives far superior for $20K less. Like any car these days I can post a heap of links to sites that list numerous issues with the Landcruiser, anything from excessive oil usage, vibrations through the entire car, clunky transmissions, leaking power steering........

 

[straydingo]

There is no argument there. As already stated, the Disco craps all over the 200 for comfort and performance...when it works as it should.

My problem was semi-remote serviceablilty, and definitely not a Brand A is better than Brand B statement - every marquee has its problems and they all have their own forums to prove it.
LR Dealers/capable mechanics are too far between. If/when something goes wrong (as I was already starting to experience each time I towed) I do not have the necessary skills to do something about it myself so need someone who can, and they need to be a bit closer than 1500km away. I can manage basic repairs, but not identify why a vehicle is overheating; or why the batteries keep draining with no load, nor do I want the inconvenience of the odd sized tyres, or hard to get parts (nor the subsequent disappointment of the missus and family when we're wanting to be on the road but can't be) .

This is my experience, and influenced my decision. I didn't call it 'stepping over to the dark side' for nothing...

Honestly....If LR had greater serviceability, or if I wasn't traveling distances away from service localities, I would've been very happy to keep it.