Merry Christmas all thought I give an update.
So had a weekend in the drizzle down Bellarine BIG4. Nice place for kids amused well. We'll be back there for sure longer next time.
We both agreed we did not like the bed in the expanda, apart from the lovely seam I had to avoid the wife did not like being on the outside with the roof above her. Felt claustrophobic, nice and windy weekend as well so we had the magic carpet sleep one night.
The twins too sneaky being in a double by themselves. The hire van had the bigger fridge so no bench space at all.
So we are off the idea of a expanda sorry guys.
The Discovery really cannot sleep 6 in comfort for to long. Every dealer said they can do us a fantastic deal on the 17.55-5 as they struggle to sell them
The Starcraft is pretty perfect if the double bed was a real double bed

we stopped at Jayco Newcomb who said they do not think they have one in to mid next year to look at. If I ordered I get one March, said I would not order without seeing the new bed. New one he said will be a dual axle and bigger. So I assume like the 17.55-5
So we are looking for vans like the new Starcraft with a full sized double, so Coromal or Avan Lily.
There is a few Avan Lily's around we already looked at these closely at October Leisurefest.
Looked at one yesterday second hand really like it although need to give it a full look over.