You don't always get what you pay for

jazzeddie1234

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I've been following an interesting, and concerning, thread on youtube about someone who negatively reviewed a lithium battery and the supplier has taken them to court. Of course social media blew up about it and many others are reviewing the same battery with similar results.

Given they are not inexpensive batteries, I was interested to watch this actual tear down to see the quality of the build

Needless to say it confirmed my belief that the price of a battery, unlike good old lead acid days, is a poor indicator of quality unless someone has taken one apart and shown what is inside
 

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What a most interesting vid, one of the best reviews of a battery I have seen if not the best ................................. ticked all the boxes for sure and just confirmed my views on a number of things ..................................... I certainly wouldn't have a lithium under the bonnet or an AGM for that matter, just way too hot with temps in the 100c plus area.....................
 

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What a most interesting vid, one of the best reviews of a battery I have seen if not the best ................................. ticked all the boxes for sure and just confirmed my views on a number of things ..................................... I certainly wouldn't have a lithium under the bonnet or an AGM for that matter, just way too hot with temps in the 100c plus area.....................
Interesting comment @Drover but my new Ford Everest has an AGM battery as the start battery like a lot of newer cars, I’ve actually put another under the bonnet as an auxiliary battery but I did have my reservation so we’ll see how it goes. I’ve just got home from our little trip to Karumba I’ll detail batteries and plumbing in another post once my blood pressure drops a little!!!
 

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Interesting comment @Drover but my new Ford Everest has an AGM battery as the start battery like a lot of newer cars, I’ve actually put another under the bonnet as an auxiliary battery but I did have my reservation so we’ll see how it goes. I’ve just got home from our little trip to Karumba I’ll detail batteries and plumbing in another post once my blood pressure drops a little!!!

My AGM is under the drivers fully electric seat, brilliant place when battery dies, need jump start pack to get seat to move.....:D ..... I wouldn't like even an AGM under the bonnet, the ones I have seen have their own little house with air vent`, just looking at operating/charging temps for Lithiums makes one wonder why put them in an oven............ Look forward to any reports of your adventure :biggrin:, don't make then too good as Im stuck at home...........:(
 
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My AGM is under the drivers fully electric seat, brilliant place when battery dies, need jump start pack to get seat to move.....:D ..... I wouldn't like even an AGM under the bonnet, the ones I have seen have their own little house with air vent`, just looking at operating/charging temps for Lithiums makes one wonder why put them in an oven............ Look forward to any reports of your adventure :biggrin:, don't make then too good as Im stuck at home...........:(
Lol...now you mention it, had a battery issue myself a couple of weeks ago when preparing to head down to Tentafield for a few days. I periodically throw the battery charger on to the tug to ensure it is always topped up fully.
Anyways, I felt the starter was a tad sluggish so put the charger on for a few hours as was heading away with van in tow following day...came up good. I left the Jeep parked outside the garage in front of the van ready to hook up. In the morning went to the car, unlocked it via the Fob, foot on brake, hit starter..."clunk"...hit starter again..."clunk". no start, no turning of engine. A million horrible thoughts went through my mind instantly...I grabbed the jumper leads, and jumped it from fridge battery in back, instant start! Hmmmm...starter battery was way down in charge? Ran it for a bit, would start again fine.
New battery time, I was supposed to be on the road by now! Interestingly there was no indication what so ever previously that the battery was going bad? Not having a heap of time up my sleeve as supposed to meet people, I decided rather than gin around finding a battery, going to get it, and then fitting it, I'd cut corners and call the good ole RACQ to sort it. I called them as I had no way of doing a load test on the battery to find if it was stuffed or not. A story in itself there...

As the Jeep was running I was able to slide and lift the drivers seat to access the battery...happy days. RACQ bloke fitted new battery and commented that was the most difficult crappiest battery replacement he had the misfortune to ever carry out to date...lol.

Story continues...Thought to myself, the run from Hervey bay to Brisbane will be good for the new battery! Got to mates place in Greenbank all good. Fridge in van runs off 12v via Anderson plug to car while mobile. The 3 way always auto changes to best input, 240v, then 12v, then gas if connected. Checked in van after connecting 240v, green light on...all good. Next morning went to unlock car...nothing...no activity at all. Puzzled with some head scratching, I unlocked the Jeep with key. Foot on brake, ignition on...dash blank...totally dead....totally flat battery?
Took putting a charger on the battery plus jumping to get it to start, would only run for a few seconds then die...not enough power to ECU. Long story short, got it going and drove a bit, battery came back to life.

When I had the 12v Anderson plug fitted by my sparky a while back, I asked him to fit an isolator between the plug and starter battery so it would not be active when the engine is off...obviously he didn't as the fridge had totally drained the car's battery overnight! This never happened on the lap because when pulling up over night I always unplugged the van, and put the fridge on gas...just as a precaution.
No worries now...I'll likely reroute the Anderson plug to the car fridge battery which charges via a DC DC Charger, so if I ever do the same dopey thing again only the second battery will be affected...
 
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Lol...now you mention it, had a battery issue myself a couple of weeks ago when preparing to head down to Tentafield for a few days. I periodically throw the battery charger on to the tug to ensure it is always topped up fully.
Anyways, I felt the starter was a tad sluggish so put the charger on for a few hours as was heading away with van in tow following day...came up good. I left the Jeep parked outside the garage in front of the van ready to hook up. In the morning went to the car, unlocked it via the Fob, foot on brake, hit starter..."clunk"...hit starter again..."clunk". no start, no turning of engine. A million horrible thoughts went through my mind instantly...I grabbed the jumper leads, and jumped it from fridge battery in back, instant start! Hmmmm...starter battery was way down in charge? Ran it for a bit, would start again fine.
New battery time, I was supposed to be on the road by now! Interestingly there was no indication what so ever previously that the battery was going bad? Not having a heap of time up my sleeve as supposed to meet people, I decided rather than gin around finding a battery, going to get it, and then fitting it, I'd cut corners and call the good ole RACQ to sort it. I called them as I had no way of doing a load test on the battery to find if it was stuffed or not. A story in itself there...

As the Jeep was running I was able to slide and lift the drivers seat to access the battery...happy days. RACQ bloke fitted new battery and commented that was the most difficult crappiest battery replacement he had the misfortune to ever carry out to date...lol.

Story continues...Thought to myself, the run from Hervey bay to Brisbane will be good for the new battery! Got to mates place in Greenbank all good. Fridge in van runs off 12v via Anderson plug to car while mobile. The 3 way always auto changes to best input, 240v, then 12v, then gas if connected. Checked in van after connecting 240v, green light on...all good. Next morning went to unlock car...nothing...no activity at all. Puzzled with some head scratching, I unlocked the Jeep with key. Foot on brake, ignition on...dash blank...totally dead....totally flat battery?
Took putting a charger on the battery plus jumping to get it to start, would only run for a few seconds then die...not enough power to ECU. Long story short, got it going and drove a bit, battery came back to life.

When I had the 12v Anderson plug fitted by my sparky a while back, I asked him to fit an isolator between the plug and starter battery so it would not be active when the engine is off...obviously he didn't as the fridge had totally drained the car's battery overnight! This never happened on the lap because when pulling up over night I always unplugged the van, and put the fridge on gas...just as a precaution.
No worries now...I'll likely reroute the Anderson plug to the car fridge battery which charges via a DC DC Charger, so if I ever do the same dopey thing again only the second battery will be affected...
@Hitting the road, if you get around to fitting a Voltage sensitive relay (or a fridge switch as @Drover likes), it won't matter if you do "the dopey thing again" and the fridge battery (even though charged by DC to DC arrangement) will never be drained again when you turn off the engine. No need to remember anything and better on the fridge battery life as well!!