Ah the dilemma of it all, just for something to do we went and looked at the 14-44-4 today after looking at moto motos and albo42s van and was really impressed with the layout for a smaller van. Our van is a 17ft touring model without hws and extra water tank or shower. We have only had our van for three months and love it, I'm just thinking of getting a little more adventurous and the 14 ft outback would be good for it but when we started crunching numbers we were going to be 4-5k out of pocket ouch,we were after a lot of extras but I don't like throwing money away. If we do anything it has to be soon as we have a big trip planned for September. All I can say is damn this forum if it wasn't for cruza drivers trips or kenshis great looking outback or moto moto and albos vans I wouldn't have this problem! Answers please?