Great thanks boys now I know We've bought the outback as we love to get off the black stuff, having had the camper trailer then the goldstream offroad I know we have limited ourselves to some degree with now buying the panda OB ,especially height ( full van not pop top) and length , is there anything else u can do to beef it up to make it go the extra bush mile, it's a 18.57-9 OB 2010 , hubby works away ALOT and I take off with the kidlets at least 1-2 wkends/mth we love going bush( gets them away from all the techno stuff) and I just want to make sure I have the confidence in the van like I do with the goldstream(probably being paranoid ) I understand u drive to the conditions and I don't plan on doing any rock climbing with it......... Not yet anyway So any help or suggestions would be much appreciated