The Hobie Pro Angler and the Grand Cherokee

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We are really fortunate to have some of the best waterways close to where we choose to take the Expanda. We have always got in some fishing in any away trip we have done and want this to continue. Unfortunately or fortunately whatever your point of view, your not allowed to turn the caravan into a B Double and connect a trailer to it, can't image trying to reverse it neither. My mate has wanted a kayak for a while now but I was struggling to work out how to get it away with us.
The Jeep Grand Cherokee has a roof limit of 70kg, this is something apparently across a lot of vehicles manufactured in the USA. The Pro Angler 12 weighs 49 kg dry so not a lot of room to play with. A further problem is the distance between the roof rack centres this doesn't help as you need 1240mm between the centres of the front and back cradles. Design criteria number one, was to be able to open the back door of the Jeep and not come into any contact with the kayak. My idea is to use the front nudge bar to support some of the weight as we have the bottom support that came with our Reel Ezy rod holder. In total the roof rack weighs 16 kg so total weight is still less than 70kg.
The main frame is 40 by 40, 3mm aluminium with the cradles 50 by 25 welded across. The outriggers are 25mm square radius corner and work really well for lashing the kayak down. There is a nose piece to stop the kayak going forward during an unscheduled event and provides better stability for the front. The rack attaches to the Rhino cross bars via eight 12mm bolts and cage nuts, making it very solid.
We also purchased a Rhino T Bar loader and from videos online this makes the loading child's play. I watched one video of a guy loading a Pro Angler on a Ford Territory, it's much easier to control when the roof line isn't as high as the Jeep. At one stage the T Bar slid out and I ended up with the kayak on my neck / shoulder while on the second rung of a step ladder. Not happy Jan! After much more thought, I now have a small 12 volt winch coming, controlling the front and the pulling will help immensely. We are also going to pin the T Bar in one position and try from there. This part is disappointing as the rack with the kayak on at 60, 70, 80, 90, and 100klm an hour works really well. I'm even surprised there isn't much in the way of wind noise.
Still a work in progress but much closer than we were a month back.
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Many thanks to Terry and the guys at The Welding Shed Caboolture for all their help.
John
 

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Hi @mfexpanda It's turned out pretty much as I was trying to explain at the Stanthorpe meet. It's amazing how far ago that seems today. Hopefully get the loading and unloading sorted and it should be a goer.

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We have done much more work on the roof rack since our last post. I managed to get a 2000 lb 12 volt winch for all of $99. It comes complete with remote control and all fittings needed. It required to have 3 extra pieces welded into the front of rack but that was easily done. At the same time I fitted it with dyneema rope as I didn't want wire cable scratching any part of the Jeep. The winch itself is held to the baseplate with two bolts so I can remove the winch for trips on the highway and for lifting the rack on and off.


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The second part was to add rollers to the rear of the frame to help stabilise and centre the kayak. Unfortunately the weakest link was now the T Bar Loader after trying several positions, the way it worked best was just vertical and fixed. On the way off however, the combination of the uprights, the strap the kayak needs to slide on and the aluminium cross arm, it decided it was too much and the screws pulled through the aluminium dropping the kayak once more on me. Still not happy Jan!! More cutting, drilling etcetera, and the T Bar loader now has a set of rollers of it's own. Finally we have a working system and any number of times loading and unloading it has gone without incident. The distance between the roller sets is working well as you see the kayak balance from one to the other.



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With all this, the kayak finally got onto the water. Has it helped the fishing, no not really. Tried unsuccessfully to drown two prawns over three hours without success but that can only improve.

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I was lucky with my tandem Kayak and the old Grand, I fitted rails on the roof started with the Yak rack units on them but they were a apin so ended up with a small tray rack and putting a beach towel on the roof at the back a quick lift of the bow onto that I could them lift the rear of the yak up and slide it on, but I could have my Yak upside down, made life easier. I also trialled a tent pole coming off the rack on the side, lift front of Yak onto it then lift the rear up and slide sideways onto rack.......................Have some pics somewhere.

The rear end was just clear of the back door and the bow was about middle of the bonnet but high enough to not be in the way, mine weighed 30kg................actually still does.

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Yak would lay upside down on cage rack..yak2.jpg..just can't find any pics of it there.
 
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Hi @Drover If the rear bar mountings were another 300mm towards the rear, I would have gone down a different path than I did. My other problem is the height under the garage door, I just make it under now with the bars.
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Yep they can be a problem, garage on new house I won't be able to drive in with yak on roof like old place, I can for see some problems.