on a serious note about home lpg cylinders

[poor but proud]

might be a good move to check your state regulations on where you have any home lpg gas cylinders installed, ours have been in the same place for over 30 years ,but they dont conform to qld. exclusion zones, and placement near specified ignition points , all comes down to either move the van out of the carport or move the gas cylinders, apparently if they are not compliant there can be an issue over insurance coverage if the setup has been identified , ignition sources include power points,plugs,fridges,hot water,pumps ,fans, meter boxes, and anything else which has the potential to create a spark, even a battery sitting on the ground within 3.5 meters of a cylinder valve is a nonconformance and leads to an immediate stoppage of supply. gas tanker and bottle swap, best to look at your own state regs as they may differ

 

[Drover]

Didn't think they have changed for QLD but depends if looking at small bottles or the larger household cylinders, I think the fit out regs changed a few years ago .... I did think it was no closer than 1.5m from a possible ignition source .............. a carport for van with cylinders should be okay as its not an enclosed space though a shed under 30sqm wouldn't be as it can contain 1 x 9kg bottle, Very confusing regulations no matter what the state ....

My shed will usually have 1 x 8.5kg bottle, 40 odd litres of diesel and petrol in Jerries, oils, greases, paint and Explosive Cat 4 , none over the storage limits but still enough to make a good flash and rumble .............. not forgetting a ute full of fuel and about 3 charged batteries and some electrical equipment ............. Guy Fawkes for sure. .......

My daughters place has 3 x 45kg bottles about 2 m from their gas HWS with a water pump similar distance on the other side including power points.....

 

[Boots in Action]

Didn't think they have changed for QLD but depends if looking at small bottles or the larger household cylinders, I think the fit out regs changed a few years ago .... I did think it was no closer than 1.5m from a possible ignition source .............. a carport for van with cylinders should be okay as its not an enclosed space though a shed under 30sqm wouldn't be as it can contain 1 x 9kg bottle, Very confusing regulations no matter what the state ....

My shed will usually have 1 x 8.5kg bottle, 40 odd litres of diesel and petrol in Jerries, oils, greases, paint and Explosive Cat 4 , none over the storage limits but still enough to make a good flash and rumble .............. not forgetting a ute full of fuel and about 3 charged batteries and some electrical equipment ............. Guy Fawkes for sure. .......

My daughters place has 3 x 45kg bottles about 2 m from their gas HWS with a water pump similar distance on the other side including power points.....

Hi Ian @Drover, there is a marked difference between stored gas cylinders and stored fuel (petrol or diesel). Although both have volatility and burn/explode, LPG gas cannot be SEEN but can be smelt. Being heavier than air, it finds the lowest level to spread around. Gasoline is usually very visible if leaking and fumes are very volatile like LPG. Good old diesel is less volatile and has smell, but that "greasy old stuff called diesel" is very hard to ignite unless there is considerable heat. However, both LPG and petrol have the potential to ignite/explode from a stray spark if mixture in the right proportions , but try lighting diesel with a spark is very difficult.

 

[poor but proud]

talking about 45kg household cylinders,1.5 meters arc 50 cm above valve and 3.5 ground arc from the centre of the base of the cylinder all sorts of measurements in relations doors windows vents and drains even a vehicle sitting on an open driveway within 3.5 meters of a cylinder is considered an ignition source ,both your daughters hot water system and pump would be suspect if the rules are enforced, the doors and windows in my van were included as they fell in the cone of exclusion along with the annex power point on the vans outside wall.

 

[Drover]

@poor but proud . Yep big difference between the 45's and the 9's, haven't really paid much attention to the household as I don't have them but certainly know when situations aren't what they should, try mentioning things to a builder about regs, so I shut up before daughter bites my head off ................... interesting that the van power point was an issue, understand about drains and I suppose vehicles but 3.5m ?? , some places that would mean next doors driveway, some places are that small it would include the barbie or fire pit .... Some good points raised, glad Im all electirc but like all Compliance if you have the gas ticket then its all good, thats why they have experts do these things, just keep the tickets in another place to prove things comply..... Did you have a gas bottle issue and someone ticked and crossed a few boxes, I wonder how many places would fail a check ????

Well this explains it ................... AS/NZ standard anyway ....... https://www.elgas.com.au/elgas-know...-location-regulations-compliance-certificate/


Yes @Boots in Action , fully aware of fuel, oil and gas volatility having transported them and carried a DG ticket around for decades ..... The safe storage of them all is very similar in regards to ignition sources, quanities of course varies, none can be carried in the cabin of a vehicle by rights, gas and petrol carried on the rear of a vehicle is vorbotten but no one regulates it so many are unaware, diesel is okay for the reasons you pointed out... the thing hardly mentioned in these regs is static electricity, that will set off numerous forms of liquid, in snow or desert static electricity can be an issue.... poor grounding and a spark, whoosh all gone.... when your clambering over the top of fuel tanks holding from 40,000lts to 2 million lts you tend to be fully aware of what not to do, thats includes around 30 ton of explosives or more ............. Im living proof I passed the course.....lol,lol.....

 

[poor but proud]

@poor but proud . Yep big difference between the 45's and the 9's, haven't really paid much attention to the household as I don't have them but certainly know when situations aren't what they should, try mentioning things to a builder about regs, so I shut up before daughter bites my head off ................... interesting that the van power point was an issue, understand about drains and I suppose vehicles but 3.5m ?? , some places that would mean next doors driveway, some places are that small it would include the barbie or fire pit .... Some good points raised, glad Im all electirc but like all Compliance if you have the gas ticket then its all good, thats why they have experts do these things, just keep the tickets in another place to prove things comply.....


Yes @Boots in Action , fully aware of fuel, oil and gas volatility having transported them and carried a DG ticket around for decades ..... The safe storage of them all is very similar in regards to ignition sources, quanities of course varies, none can be carried in the cabin of a vehicle by rights, gas and petrol carried on the rear of a vehicle is vorbotten but no one regulates it so many are unaware, diesel is okay for the reasons you pointed out... the thing hardly mentioned in these regs is static electricity, that will set off numerous forms of liquid, in snow or desert static electricity can be an issue.... poor grounding and a spark, whoosh all gone.... when your clambering over the top of fuel tanks holding from 40,000lts to 2 million lts you tend to be fully aware of what not to do, thats includes around 30 ton of explosives or more ............. Im living proof I passed the course.....lol,lol.....

the bit about the van power point was explained at great length!!!! i might decide to plug in some sparky appliance or i may plug in an appliance that was turned on and cause a spark inside the plug?? i also wonder where they are going to put cylinders on the current crop of small housing blocks, i have got a gas fitter coming tomorrow to tell me how much to move things around and get a compliance cert. this was all caused by the gas delivery guy with a tape measure and a camera followed by a refusal to supply, then another company gas fitter showed up to point me in the right direction (after 30 years where the cylinders sat) he said i was unlucky to run into a driver known locally as GOG. (god of gas ) who spends his leisure time reading the regulations