offroad hitch on a wdh?

ozexplorer

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Have ordered the new van but havent put a tregg hitch on yet, can anyone tell me if the tregg hitch will fit a hayman reece weight distribution hitch, and would you still use a offroad hitch with this still.
I tend to like the offroad hitch because its smooth and quiet, and has alot more movement.
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crackacoldie

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You can by an adaptor plate so the yoke will fit. The main issue is that the WDH opposes the movement of the treg hitch, limiting the movement, not an issue on road, but you will need to remove the bars off road to get the required movement. I have also heard of the poly block wearing excessively when used with a WDH. Have you thought of a D035 or Hyland coupling, these work better with a WDH, same issue offroad though, so you will still need to remove the bars.


cheers. Craig
 

ozexplorer

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You can by an adaptor plate so the yoke will fit. The main issue is that the WDH opposes the movement of the treg hitch, limiting the movement, not an issue on road, but you will need to remove the bars off road to get the required movement. I have also heard of the poly block wearing excessively when used with a WDH. Have you thought of a D035 or Hyland coupling, these work better with a WDH, same issue offroad though, so you will still need to remove the bars.


cheers. Craig
Hi Craig, Do you know if the WDH stop any of the bouncing/noise that you would normal get off a standard towball?
 

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I don't use a wdh either, We have firestone airbags in the back and it tows great, I chose this option because you cannot use a wdh off road and we regularly tow on the beach so for me I though money was much better spent on airbags. I do still get a little pitch if I hit a big bump but nothing that worries me. Our old LR discovery had self levelling rear air which was great but we only towed a 12.37-OB with it
 

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Hi, What sort of hitch do you use Moto Mech? Do you get much sway/wobbles without the WDH?
I use a Treg hitch with poly air bags in vehicle. Tows a treat, no sway at all. Before I fitted the air bags it towed like a dog, real scary stuff but vehicle was sitting down in the rear badly.
 

ozexplorer

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i did a fair bit of research on this.
have a look at http://www.expandasdownunder.com/threads/mchitch.1562/#post-22459
and http://www.expandasdownunder.com/th...ious-re-or-coupling-wdh-paj-tow-vehicle.1425/
I have the McHitch because its great value and no noise despite no polyblock or urethene bushes (like in Orac) and i've foound it works fine with the WDH bars, despite what was said to me about the physics of it ... although that logic which favours the other two 'pin' types (HitchEzy / Hitchmaster DO35) or the two 'ball' types (Hyland / Alko) does make soem sense.
AJC, do you have poly airbags? a lot of people seem to use airbags without a WDH!!
 

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I have CoilRite (the blue fellers) airbags in the back of my 200 (at 10psi unladen and 24psi with the van) with no KDSS and standard Toyota towbar and no WDH. The hitch is a Hyland and no complaints so far
 

ozexplorer

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Yep, I have airbags. I had a offroad camper trailer trailer initially and tired old standard springs with lots of rear end sag. The CT sat higher, more for Patrol / Landcruiser's standard ride height than a standard Pajero's ride height. That meant the CT draw bar leaned down onto the Paj's towbar, exacerbating the rear end squat in a Paj with the independent rear suspension. After researching (Pajero forum and suspension suppliers) I put HD Lovell 50mm lift springs in the front (diesel engine, dual batts, alloy bar + lights, HD bash plates meant HD was required). In the rear i added SD 50 mm lift for a better unladen ride and airbags for a load and towing the CT. That worked.

Then i upgraded to a Swan OB, heavier camper with heavier draw bar. I also added stuff to the Paj - diesel gas so a 60 ltr tank in the dicky seat space, cargo barrier, draw system + fridge + slide. The additional load plus the heavier camper meant i was nose up agai, even with the airbags at 30 - 35psi. Out went the SD rear springs, in went HD. All good again.

Then I upgraded to a Expanda 16.49.1 OB. The airbags plus HD springs handled a normal load / van with the Paj reasonably level however with the additioanl stuff for a 5000km trip around outback SA (second spare, couple of fuel jerries on the roof, load of wine on the way back) the Paj was again a bit too nose up / light in steering for my liking; and i was getting sick of the bump / thump / pitch coming for the back fo the car, especially on eneven B and C roads, occassioned by so much weight on the rear axle (load and van). teh HD sprinsg and airbags are certianly stong enough, its just the physics of the pivot point being the rear axle.

After that trip i added the WDH, it levels the car out, spreads weight to all axles and makes the towing / handling / breaking that much better. Wouldn't tow a van without WDH now i have had them.

Whether i now actually need airabgs with the WDH and the HD rear springs is a different question - as i had them i may as well keep them. I only run 20 - 25 psi rather than the 30-35psi pre-WDH. That means the rear suspensions isn't as stiff as it used to be so i have a more comfortable ride, and i guess means longer life for the bags.

It also means i don't have to use as many links on the WDH chains (use 8th of 11 links, 3 loose). Having longer chains means i have sufficeint movement to allow for the WDH to stay on for tight switchback bends (like on Brown mountain between Cooma + Bega or Clydem mountain between Batemans Bay and Braidwood). I understand that's improtant when combining a WDH with an off-road hitch that has the articulation point in a different plane to the WDH bar heads and the ball / pin on the hitch head.

So, long answer, yes i have it all for historical reasons but find its all useful.

If you have standard suspension, i'd definatley recommend you add the airbags to strengthen the load carrying capaity fo the rear springs, and the WDH for safe towing at speed. Rember, when you are offroad and have the WDH disconnected, you will need the rear suspension strong enough to hold the load and van weight up in any event.
Thanks for the detailed answer, i have been towing a loaded outback eagle and the car has sagged a bit, so i will fit the airbags first and go from there.
 

ozexplorer

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I have CoilRite (the blue fellers) airbags in the back of my 200 (at 10psi unladen and 24psi with the van) with no KDSS and standard Toyota towbar and no WDH. The hitch is a Hyland and no complaints so far
Thanks