For those who are interested.
I have been replying to a post in another section of this site re getting info to upgrade our ATM and felt I needed to start a separate thread. The below info is what I have gathered and emphasise it is up to the individual to be comfortable with what they are committing to.
Honourable mention to @Glen Bundesen as he is pretty close to the mark on his comments in the other thread.
I'm currently trying to have my Tare corrected to reflect the correct weight due to additional things added after being built and compliance by Jayco along with an ATM increase. I'm unsure of what was done by the dealer and by the previous owners but I'm already guilty of adding to this and want to have the Tare corrected to suit. I want the tare corrected from 1797kg up to the new tare which is approximately 1900kg. The ATM I hope can be raised from the plated 2272kg upto 2500kg (maximum for our Prado).
After getting the rejection from Jayco in getting a compliance plate mod done I went to task calling caravan repair and modification places in Perth, most either said they can't do it or that it can't be done. I also spoke to dot who also said raising the ATM can't be done.
I spoke to a nice chap today that has pointed me in an alternate direction, it doesn't appear to be a widely known thing but I was told today that I can add a secondary compliance plate with revised weights that has myself or someone as the manufacturer. In short this is used when you upgrade a trailer with bigger suspension and or brakes to increase your ATM from what the original manufacturer built and compliance it as. This process is critically based on the following being up to the task of the requested increase in load rating and being prepared to sign off that the chassis is up to the increase in ATM.
The below details are what I need to complete the form, I then need to sign and present to the examiner (or this is how I have taken the info given), the examiner will need to inspect the van and I need to have the relevant info confirming the suspension and axle group is what I say it is.
1) hitch is rated for the increase ( mine is 3.5t, ex factory)
2) Springs are rated (mine is ALKO 6 leaf tandem axle ex factory, Jayco compliance plate has it as "axle group load capacity" of 2700kg ) martins trailer parts confirmed it is likely 3000kg rated being six leaf springs.
3) brakes are rated and include the part number. ( mine are 254mm x 54mm ALKO electric drums "off road" ex factory)
4) it is fitted with breakaway brakes. ( our is fitted ex factory )
5) tyres are rated. ( 235/75R15 AT Savero GT Radials 105T ) rates to 3700kg collectively.
6) rims are rated. 15" x 6" Jayco branded rims (rated to 1000kg each)
7) make. ( Jayco )
8) model. ( Camper, as stated on my current rego form )
9) secondary plate VIN. ( as per the current VIN )
10) ATM. ( revised to 2500kg )
11) Tare, which isn't compulsory ( revised to the new figure once weighed )
12) manufacturer. ( This will be myself ) this is where you need to be comfortable with the chassis being capable of your ATM increase as you are now considered the manufacturer. I'm trying to communicate with Jayco on this topic and hope to get some sort of letter stating that the weight increase is acceptable as we are only talking 228kg over the original ATM of 2272kg. This is in hope mind you!!!
Yet to be confirmed is my axle load rating but the paper work Jayco supplied (original work order) has each axle rated at 1450kg and the axle group load capacity at 2700kg.
Hoping this will pan out and will keep you all posted. Seems like a long winded process but 20mins confirming most of the above list and a 10min phone call with said "nice chap" seems to have me at the point of confirming my axle group, filling in the form stating the above info is correct and having it inspected at the appropriate local license guy. It is my understanding once he confirms the caravan suspension ect is good he will state the new Tare and requested ATM on the inspection form and I'm off to the dot. From here I can purchase a blank plate from Martins trailer parts and fill in as per my new license papers and fix the secondary plate the van next to the existing compliance plate.
The secondary plate is noted in the licensing system along with me as the manufacturer so if I'm pulled up and checked it will be visible to the inspector via the dot network.
Cheers Max,
I have been replying to a post in another section of this site re getting info to upgrade our ATM and felt I needed to start a separate thread. The below info is what I have gathered and emphasise it is up to the individual to be comfortable with what they are committing to.
Honourable mention to @Glen Bundesen as he is pretty close to the mark on his comments in the other thread.
I'm currently trying to have my Tare corrected to reflect the correct weight due to additional things added after being built and compliance by Jayco along with an ATM increase. I'm unsure of what was done by the dealer and by the previous owners but I'm already guilty of adding to this and want to have the Tare corrected to suit. I want the tare corrected from 1797kg up to the new tare which is approximately 1900kg. The ATM I hope can be raised from the plated 2272kg upto 2500kg (maximum for our Prado).
After getting the rejection from Jayco in getting a compliance plate mod done I went to task calling caravan repair and modification places in Perth, most either said they can't do it or that it can't be done. I also spoke to dot who also said raising the ATM can't be done.
I spoke to a nice chap today that has pointed me in an alternate direction, it doesn't appear to be a widely known thing but I was told today that I can add a secondary compliance plate with revised weights that has myself or someone as the manufacturer. In short this is used when you upgrade a trailer with bigger suspension and or brakes to increase your ATM from what the original manufacturer built and compliance it as. This process is critically based on the following being up to the task of the requested increase in load rating and being prepared to sign off that the chassis is up to the increase in ATM.
The below details are what I need to complete the form, I then need to sign and present to the examiner (or this is how I have taken the info given), the examiner will need to inspect the van and I need to have the relevant info confirming the suspension and axle group is what I say it is.
1) hitch is rated for the increase ( mine is 3.5t, ex factory)
2) Springs are rated (mine is ALKO 6 leaf tandem axle ex factory, Jayco compliance plate has it as "axle group load capacity" of 2700kg ) martins trailer parts confirmed it is likely 3000kg rated being six leaf springs.
3) brakes are rated and include the part number. ( mine are 254mm x 54mm ALKO electric drums "off road" ex factory)
4) it is fitted with breakaway brakes. ( our is fitted ex factory )
5) tyres are rated. ( 235/75R15 AT Savero GT Radials 105T ) rates to 3700kg collectively.
6) rims are rated. 15" x 6" Jayco branded rims (rated to 1000kg each)
7) make. ( Jayco )
8) model. ( Camper, as stated on my current rego form )
9) secondary plate VIN. ( as per the current VIN )
10) ATM. ( revised to 2500kg )
11) Tare, which isn't compulsory ( revised to the new figure once weighed )
12) manufacturer. ( This will be myself ) this is where you need to be comfortable with the chassis being capable of your ATM increase as you are now considered the manufacturer. I'm trying to communicate with Jayco on this topic and hope to get some sort of letter stating that the weight increase is acceptable as we are only talking 228kg over the original ATM of 2272kg. This is in hope mind you!!!
Yet to be confirmed is my axle load rating but the paper work Jayco supplied (original work order) has each axle rated at 1450kg and the axle group load capacity at 2700kg.
Hoping this will pan out and will keep you all posted. Seems like a long winded process but 20mins confirming most of the above list and a 10min phone call with said "nice chap" seems to have me at the point of confirming my axle group, filling in the form stating the above info is correct and having it inspected at the appropriate local license guy. It is my understanding once he confirms the caravan suspension ect is good he will state the new Tare and requested ATM on the inspection form and I'm off to the dot. From here I can purchase a blank plate from Martins trailer parts and fill in as per my new license papers and fix the secondary plate the van next to the existing compliance plate.
The secondary plate is noted in the licensing system along with me as the manufacturer so if I'm pulled up and checked it will be visible to the inspector via the dot network.
Cheers Max,